i'm sorry, who would -- whose taxes would be raised? >> well, there's a variety of ways to approach this, candy. i mean, we've talked about the gas tax. now is not the moment to raise it, but it really is something we should consider in the future, but there are other sources of energy taxes we ought to consider. i'll give you an example. the electric grid, power grid in america is ancient. and if we are going to expand it so that it can meet the needs of the 21st century, we need an investment. that means revenue coming in from that sector. i think they would be open to it if the investment went back into the infrastructure. >> let me ask you, when you're talking about these special loopholes and, et cetera, that you want to close in tax reform, there were some things in this fiscal cliff, last-minute deal, didn't even make the deadline, and it was all to save the middle class from not getting a tax high, and yet included, and this is just a partial list, included in this bill were tax breaks for puerto rican rum producers, tax breaks for hollywood film-makers, tax deductions for nascar and tax credits for algae growers.